, big brawl. jaime: i know you were listening to the debate about whether the stimulus had anything to do with the job numbers. they say both countries unemployment rates moved similarly until the stimulus. both were 6.1% in august of 2008. they rose in lock step through february 09. after the stimulus u.s. unemployment shot up to 10.1 remained above 9.5%. canadian unemployment peaked at 8.7, it's tpoulg and it's now 7.4%. >> who would think we would be looking at canada for an economic model. there is a strong case on the stimulus. certainly you can't make the argument that it has helped all that much if it's helped at all. i would argue it's hurt to the extent at which it implies taking all this debt, adding to the deficit, to the extent that it implies that we have to raise taxes in the future, it's a disincentive for businesses to invest. they don't know what their actual costs are going to be. jaime: president obama did respond to that, you know, saying that it's working, not working as quick